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  • pkv
    05-07 10:09 PM
    http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_9186416



    Congress penalizes U.S. troops, legal U.S. residents in attempt to punish illegal immigrants
    By Ken McLaughlin
    Mercury News
    Article Launched: 05/07/2008 06:51:18 PM PDT


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    When Congress passed an economic-stimulus package giving hefty rebates to most taxpayers, it tried to make sure that illegal immigrants didn't get any of the cash.

    But in doing so lawmakers inadvertently penalized hundreds of thousands of legal U.S. residents - and tens of thousands of U.S. troops stationed overseas - simply because their spouses lack a Social Security number.

    "Imagine an American soldier in Iraq whose foreign-born wife is waiting for an immigration petition to be approved and doesn't have a Social Security card. Now the couple can't even get a rebate," said Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-San Jose. "That is really stupid."

    Others in the predicament include about a million legal residents whose spouses are still overseas because of long immigration queues and hundreds of thousands of H-1B work visa holders in Silicon Valley and elsewhere.

    The scope of the problem is only now becoming clear as the government begins mailing out rebate checks. The first checks were electronically deposited in bank accounts last week.

    Because illegal immigrants don't have Social Security numbers and instead routinely use "tax identification numbers," Congress banned rebates for taxpayers who use the IRS-issued numbers.

    If a married couple files jointly and one spouse doesn't have a Social Security number, the couple won't get the $1,200 checks that other couples will receive. They're also ineligible for the $300 rebate per child. Many Armed Forces members stationed overseas have foreign spouses who can't get Social Security numbers.

    William Luong, stationed at a U.S. naval base in Yokosuka, Japan, said his fellow seamen resent that they've landed in the same category as illegal immigrants.

    "They understand the reason they're getting the shaft," said Luong, 21, who is from the Los Angeles area. "but a lot are frustrated or angry about it."

    More than 288,000 troops are stationed overseas, according to the Pentagon - not counting those in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many live in places - Korea, Japan and Germany - where extended stays often result in marriages to locals.

    The unintended situation developed after the House in late January passed the economic-stimulus legislation at the urging of President Bush. But anti-illegal immigration groups then lobbied the Senate to add the Social Security requirement, fearing that illegal immigrants would get their hands on the checks.

    The Federation for American Immigrant Reform - whose members went on radio talk shows to bash the House version of the stimulus bill - has no apologies.

    "No law was ever written that doesn't find someone falling through the cracks," said Ira Mehlman, a FAIR spokesman, who said he hoped government officials will come up with some way to help Armed Forces members.

    But H-1B visa holders and legal immigrants who are being denied rebates say they want some justice, too.

    "If the government collects taxes from us, we should be able to get rebates given to other legal residents, it should be a level-playing field," said Parveen Kumar, an H-1B visa holder who lives in Sunnyvale.

    Kumar moved to Silicon Valley from India with his wife three years ago. He now works as an engineer at Intelliswift Software in Fremont. But his wife, Anu, is on a H-4 "dependency visa" that doesn't allow her to work.

    After he found out about the rebate law, he went to the Mountain View office of the Social Security Administration and asked if he could get a number for his wife. He was told no.

    John Johnston, a spokesman for the Social Security Administration, confirmed on Wednesday that the agency's policy is not to issue Social Security cards simply for the purpose of issuing tax rebates.

    According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, there are now between 600,000 and 800,000 H-1B visa holders in the United States. Exactly how many are married to spouses ineligible to work in this country is unclear.

    Another group of immigrants - about a million nationwide - are non-citizen green-card holders who are already facing seven-year waits to get permission for their spouses to immigrate to their country.

    "I've been in America for well over 20 years, and I consider myself an American," said Amir Nikpouri of Orland Park, a suburb of Chicago. "All I'm trying to do is obey the laws, but this one seems really unfair."

    Nikpouri, 31, was married three years ago, but his wife won't be eligible to immigrate from Iran for a few more years.

    "We are here legally and paying taxes and enjoying what a married family should be enjoying," said Aung Moe of San Jose, 33, a Burmese political refugee who works as an engineer at Applied Materials. His wife, Mon, is an electrical engineer who is forced to live separately from her husband in Singapore.

    "Already we cannot be together, and now she cannot get a Social Security number," he said. "This needs to be fixed."



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  • Waitingnvain
    05-04 10:21 AM
    Hey Guys:

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  • neoklaus
    01-29 06:56 PM
    Applied for AP - Aug.16 with NSC

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  • ashutrip
    06-21 01:41 PM
    I agree with you 100%... no point in being paranoid about what can happen ... if it does we will find a way to deal with it
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  • ItIsNotFunny
    10-20 12:55 PM
    Folks - there is going to be some changes in the strategy here. I have discussed this issue with IV core and we will update the new strategy soon, until then you may continue to send the letters.

    Folks who are running the campaign - please keep this thread alive.

    nk2006, pdrecap and others who are active please make sure your profiles are upto date on IV and please join your state chapters.

    nk2006, pdrecap I will discuss with you offline on the next steps. I will send you a PM.

    Can we make this thread like a sticky on home page?




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  • satishku_2000
    07-05 05:05 PM
    No... Why?

    Can you please tell me the senators office you called so that I can call them too ..:) more calls the better



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  • chakdepatte
    01-07 09:43 AM
    Approach ur credit uniion. they will eventually sell ur loan to BAC or the big banks.
    my friends were on H1. I was on EAD but all I had to provide was my credit score, 6 months paychecks, company history and indicate that my green card is in process. lender was happy that green card is in process. she got terribly confused when I mentioned LC, 140 and EAD. Be careful with words you use becuase the lender or anyone at walmart or honda are not that educated about the pains of GC process and not that they are bad and dont want ur business.

    I am also not surprised on reading this thread because our local citizen friends (bankers et al) get pi$$ed off to learn that I dont have a green card and we own homes becuase we are perfect candidates to walk off in a foreclosure with nothing to worry.

    on a serious note - if on H1 and no EAD. think twice before buying a house. Job Markets are becoming unfriendly for H1 holders.

    God be with you.
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  • eeezzz
    04-02 02:44 PM
    That�s right, no name calling and no country name calling. D.R.D owes us an apology.

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  • sam_hoosier
    01-03 04:13 PM
    I think you bring up very valid points. For a lot of ppl who have stayed away from family/extended family for so long, they may not like the constant interference.

    "I miss my parents" is not quantifiable but what about the paying back the debt by supporting your aging parents? Let me make the question a little broader, isn't every immigrant divided between doing what's best for the children and supporting the parents?

    I dont think one is necessarily doing kids a dis-service by electing to go back. On the contrary, kids experience tremendous personal growth through interaction with extended family which is not possible in a foreign land.




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  • Napoleon
    03-10 09:38 PM
    Question #3 and #4 should conclude this discussion.

    Also how do you define an established company.
    If I stay employed for 2-3 yrs on my spouse's LLC and bring 200K each year, is that established?

    From the above paragraph (quoted on Murthy site), it seems that it would be very much possible to just get self-employed (of course job description should be same and legal).

    But here are the Questions:
    1). How will USCIS be convinced that the original job offer was really the intended employment at the time the I-140 and I-485 were filed??
    2). How do you prove to USCIS that the original job offer was something that you intended to take on getting your GC?

    From the below excerpt (same Murthy site and part of above doc)

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    The Memo clarifies that there should not be requests for "ability to pay" proof from the new sponsor as part of the I-140 approval process. However, the Memo does state that it would be appropriate to check the legitimacy of the new employer and the job offer in connection with the I-485 approval. So, the new employer may have to show financial viability and prove that there is a valid job offer in order for the foreign national employee and any family members to obtain the I-485 approval.

    Questions:
    3).Doesn�t the above mean that USCIS will still check to see if your (lets say) spouse�s company or start-up company has the ability to pay you?

    4). So, even though USCIS is saying �Yes� to self employment, will they (excerpt from mandersons musings)
    �..ask for 2 yrs of tax filings of future employer to prove that it's an established company (although they are not supposed to bring up 'ability to pay' issue which is already covered in approved 140 -- but being USCIS anything goes...)???



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  • ita
    08-25 08:13 PM
    I'm looking for homeloan options in India. Which bank would be good to apply for home loans.
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    I would appreciate it if anyone can give me few suggestions on this.

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  • panky72
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  • qplearn
    12-19 11:00 AM
    Well, one or two of us are dispensible but if unite in our effort, then we definitely become indespensible....did we really make an impact by making those thousands of phone calls for the lame duck?.....the fact is that an average american doesn't give a ***** about whether we get our green cards or not because they don't even know our pains.....and the government has too many other trivial and not so trivial issues to deal with than worry about us......lobbying is a good idea but we are still not getting the attention we should be getting......do you think they can really abolish the h1b program?.......foreign workers have become the veins and arteries of these companies and unless until you stop the blood supply, no body is going to even notice.......the dependency on foreign workers is more today that it was a decade ago just because of the sheer volume.
    no the h-1b program will never be abolished. foreign workers are needed in univs for one. and don't forget that the chinese came here to build the rail-way(road) and the indians and chinese (and ppl from many other nationalities) to fix the y2k bug. but regarding making phone calls, i think your assesment is wrong. that made the biggest impact of all. and guess what it costs? almost nothing other than some time and cell phone minutes. let's call Senator Cornyn (see another thread started by jansilal).




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  • DDLMODES
    07-06 08:37 AM
    Guys...digg this one religously..
    For the first time one article connects our needs to what Americans are interested in; Homeland security.


    Guys, not to say that they should approve cases without background check but are you sure this will not turn against us if they associate USCIS being efficient (approving cases faster) with them taking shortcuts and give GC to people who are a threat ??

    Everybody here wants some of those "reserved" (already taken for cases not yet approved) visas to be available again but nobody thinks what this will do to us in the long run because some might read the news and conclude that USCIS just gives green cards to people that might be a threat.

    As for my angle on this, I did not file yet so I have no case pending waiting to be approved....

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  • NKR
    06-25 11:47 AM
    When a guy comes to US for education the average age is around 23 - 24 years. MS completed by 25. Most guys at that time have burning desire to do something new and innovative (either in job or starting own business).



    And then you lose your libido :). Agreed�. With the delay you lose the golden period in your career and end up at a lower level. Most of the self made millionaires rockstarted young when they had the drive and desire. I still say America gains more than what they lose by delaying GC process. If they hand out GCs faster then who will work for those millionaires and billionaires?.




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    mayhemt
    06-24 08:47 PM
    Actually there are 2 sides to these questions.. (Of course I am also one of the EB3 aspirants.)

    1. What is America losing because of our prolonged wait for Green Cards?

    America would be losing on intellectual grounds. Most of the people waiting in the never-ending GC queue are ready to give up their spot, if they get good opportunities elsewhere, eg: UK, Canada, Australia, However it is not going to put a dent overall intellectual pool.

    America would be gaining in terms of revenue & employment creation:
    Filing fees, Attorney fees are the visible ones. The non-tangible ones being social security fund & medicare fund, Income tax, employer's insurance premiums. Most likely, the silent immigrant going back to his home country or another country is not going to ask for social security benefits/Medicare. Social Security in particular which is in desperate need of repairs greatly appreciates the immigrant going back.
    The wait creates lot of employment in terms of immigration personnel, attorneys, USCIS systems' maintenance. Consider this: A credit card processing bank does more checks on an individual/card while processing an authorization. What if the whole immigration system has been automated (instead of today's almost fully paper-based immigration processing)? Even with automated systems in place (eg PIMS), there are massive delays. But the complete reform would hit a huge employment soft spot. How much would it take to hook up a terminal in an overseas consulate, thru which the consulate officer can check the petition validity then & there itself, accessing it from a Centralized database? Heck they should learn it from Yahoo or Google, to access systems from anywhere in the world.


    2. How people who have green cards are contributing to the country as a whole ?
    By contributing to income tax. A person with green card is more likely to get more opportunities than a person on H1. H1 holder is constantly nagged with endless paperwork, dependencies, expiration dates. A green card holder can switch to different companies or start his/her own business, thereby earning for himself & paying more on income tax & possible his/her business tax.
    A permanent resident has already gone thru ton of checks/regulations eg: Criminal checks, medical tests. If the same tests were put thru for Americans, how many are really going to pass? Green card holders (or even H1 worker) stick to all rules, regulations, pay their bills without being a threat to American society.


    On the other hand, green card holders/H1s need not sign up for defense service selection (above the age of 24). Lost American jobs is whole different ball game.



    3. What if the whole green card process takes less than 3 years ?
    If it takes less than 3yrs, it will certainly make lot of IVians & happy, including me. But we are not in Utopian world.

    On the other hand, there will be huge influx of immigrant applications. Slowly immigration population would become large chunk in administrative areas, they may even reach Washington.




    newbie2020
    05-02 11:00 AM
    Do we also need to contact the Senate Judiciary committee for any of these bills yet


    http://judiciary.senate.gov/subcommittees/110/immigration110.cfm



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